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		<title>Comment on The Future of “Training &amp; Development” by Bob Pike cSP, CPAE-Speakers Hall of Fame</title>
		<link>http://learningideas.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/the-future-of-%e2%80%9ctraining-development%e2%80%9d/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Pike cSP, CPAE-Speakers Hall of Fame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You captured the essence of what I said -- and expanded the conversation.  I like the developmental job you described. I also think it might be a great idea to put prerequisites on the the Performance Solutions Manager&#039;s position and look at the cost/consequence of putting someone inexpereinced in the position because we want to develop them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You captured the essence of what I said &#8212; and expanded the conversation.  I like the developmental job you described. I also think it might be a great idea to put prerequisites on the the Performance Solutions Manager&#8217;s position and look at the cost/consequence of putting someone inexpereinced in the position because we want to develop them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Motivation by Wino</title>
		<link>http://learningideas.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/motivation/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Wino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quit my last long-term job over pretty much this issue. I was paid adequately, but they kept hiring people over me, who had less experience, education, and ability. No recognition, at all.

Now, they are losing money. It&#039;s not solely because of my leaving, but several other instructors left about the same time, for much the same reason.

And they have only themselves to blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quit my last long-term job over pretty much this issue. I was paid adequately, but they kept hiring people over me, who had less experience, education, and ability. No recognition, at all.</p>
<p>Now, they are losing money. It&#8217;s not solely because of my leaving, but several other instructors left about the same time, for much the same reason.</p>
<p>And they have only themselves to blame.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social Networking and 10-Minute Success by sallyboyd</title>
		<link>http://learningideas.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/social-networking-and-10-minute-success/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>sallyboyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ensnarement,

OK, this is probably not one of my most concise posts. ;-)

The point is that ning.com&#039;s tool might work well as part of a blended learning environment.  The comment about 10-minute Success was a sidetrack that I found interesting.

My mind is not &quot;wired&quot; to go straight from point A to point B -- I usually end up visiting D, Q, C and Z along the way.  I try really hard to edit that out of my posts -- sometimes I do better than others.

Glad you enjoyed the blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ensnarement,</p>
<p>OK, this is probably not one of my most concise posts. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The point is that ning.com&#8217;s tool might work well as part of a blended learning environment.  The comment about 10-minute Success was a sidetrack that I found interesting.</p>
<p>My mind is not &#8220;wired&#8221; to go straight from point A to point B &#8212; I usually end up visiting D, Q, C and Z along the way.  I try really hard to edit that out of my posts &#8212; sometimes I do better than others.</p>
<p>Glad you enjoyed the blog.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social Networking and 10-Minute Success by Ensnarement</title>
		<link>http://learningideas.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/social-networking-and-10-minute-success/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Ensnarement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow i missed the point. Probably lost in translation :) Anyway ... nice blog to visit.

cheers, Ensnarement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow i missed the point. Probably lost in translation <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Anyway &#8230; nice blog to visit.</p>
<p>cheers, Ensnarement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Modular Learning by sallyboyd</title>
		<link>http://learningideas.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/modular-learning/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>sallyboyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On selling training with incorrect information -- I&#039;ve seen that from a major eLearning vendor -- it made me not want to take any more of their training!  But I still used the vendor because we had a huge corporate license, and I used it on a different topic from that I had taken.  

When there are a lot of possible training modules, it&#039;s hard to QC all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On selling training with incorrect information &#8212; I&#8217;ve seen that from a major eLearning vendor &#8212; it made me not want to take any more of their training!  But I still used the vendor because we had a huge corporate license, and I used it on a different topic from that I had taken.  </p>
<p>When there are a lot of possible training modules, it&#8217;s hard to QC all of them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Modular Learning by Wino</title>
		<link>http://learningideas.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/modular-learning/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Wino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely correct in the need for modularity.  SCORM, as I wrote earlier, gives everyone a common format for this modularity, but it is not the whole answer.

I&#039;ve had some recent changes in my life (say, &quot;Hello&quot; to Mrs. Wino, everyone), which included a job change, as well.  My previous job was solely training.  My new job is not in training, at all.  I am now a manager of a group of maintenance and project implementation groups for a large multi-national corporation.

I&#039;ve been doing a review of some of the training they have available.  It is scattered in many different areas, and is quite frankly hard to find.  It is completely free, and fairly easy, but it is not well-utilized.  Why is this? I don&#039;t yet know, but I suspect several reasons:
  * No one knows it is there
  * The ones they know about are too basic
  * The ones they know about require too much time
  * They don&#039;t see the value of it

I have not yet concluded what I&#039;m going to do, but part of it is to correct some bad information in some &quot;professional&quot; modules, and to write some modules that are more directly derived from the day-to-day duties myself.  This should correct the &quot;no value&quot; area, at least, and the corrections are just plain ol&#039; necessary.

On the last note, how can someone sell training that has incorrect information? Did no one review the information? Imagine a &quot;professional&quot; product that uses terminology incorrectly.  It means that someone who is learning this basic information will have to relearn it later, correctly.  That means unlearning the wrong information before one can learn the right information. What a waste of time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely correct in the need for modularity.  SCORM, as I wrote earlier, gives everyone a common format for this modularity, but it is not the whole answer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had some recent changes in my life (say, &#8220;Hello&#8221; to Mrs. Wino, everyone), which included a job change, as well.  My previous job was solely training.  My new job is not in training, at all.  I am now a manager of a group of maintenance and project implementation groups for a large multi-national corporation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been doing a review of some of the training they have available.  It is scattered in many different areas, and is quite frankly hard to find.  It is completely free, and fairly easy, but it is not well-utilized.  Why is this? I don&#8217;t yet know, but I suspect several reasons:<br />
  * No one knows it is there<br />
  * The ones they know about are too basic<br />
  * The ones they know about require too much time<br />
  * They don&#8217;t see the value of it</p>
<p>I have not yet concluded what I&#8217;m going to do, but part of it is to correct some bad information in some &#8220;professional&#8221; modules, and to write some modules that are more directly derived from the day-to-day duties myself.  This should correct the &#8220;no value&#8221; area, at least, and the corrections are just plain ol&#8217; necessary.</p>
<p>On the last note, how can someone sell training that has incorrect information? Did no one review the information? Imagine a &#8220;professional&#8221; product that uses terminology incorrectly.  It means that someone who is learning this basic information will have to relearn it later, correctly.  That means unlearning the wrong information before one can learn the right information. What a waste of time!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social Networking and 10-Minute Success by Lisa Neal</title>
		<link>http://learningideas.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/social-networking-and-10-minute-success/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words!

I also like ning and have found it very easy to use and versatile. I haven&#039;t used it for an online course yet but would be interested to hear about your experiences if you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words!</p>
<p>I also like ning and have found it very easy to use and versatile. I haven&#8217;t used it for an online course yet but would be interested to hear about your experiences if you do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Learning Systems by sallyboyd</title>
		<link>http://learningideas.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/learning-systems/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>sallyboyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 16:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right that management usually takes the easy way out, but I disagree that it&#039;s because of laziness (most of the time).  Managers have a lot of different and varied tasks, but some pretty direct pressure -- that on whatever directly effects their operations and budget.  While training and/or employee development can have a great impact, it&#039;s indirect.  So management (like everyone else) responds to where the pressure is.  It is the rare manager that can juggle all of those balls well.

What needs to change is the system that supports the manager in making poor decisions regarding their people and only supports operations and budget.  And it needs to change at a point well above line management.  In addition, current systems are well entrenched, so making that change will be REALLY DIFFICULT ... maybe impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right that management usually takes the easy way out, but I disagree that it&#8217;s because of laziness (most of the time).  Managers have a lot of different and varied tasks, but some pretty direct pressure &#8212; that on whatever directly effects their operations and budget.  While training and/or employee development can have a great impact, it&#8217;s indirect.  So management (like everyone else) responds to where the pressure is.  It is the rare manager that can juggle all of those balls well.</p>
<p>What needs to change is the system that supports the manager in making poor decisions regarding their people and only supports operations and budget.  And it needs to change at a point well above line management.  In addition, current systems are well entrenched, so making that change will be REALLY DIFFICULT &#8230; maybe impossible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Learning Systems by donminter</title>
		<link>http://learningideas.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/learning-systems/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>donminter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 16:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found that management mostly just wants to look like they are addressing training needs. They want the results, but they want them easy. For example, they can have a custom-designed learning application that does the job but costs them some minor effort, or a canned and sliced learning application that just requires a signature to pay for it.

Guess which one gets selected? The easy one that doesn&#039;t do the job, but looks like the job is being addressed. Management is basically lazy, and almost always takes the easy, if incorrect, way.  Dilbert&#039;s pointy-haired boss is not far from the actuality of the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found that management mostly just wants to look like they are addressing training needs. They want the results, but they want them easy. For example, they can have a custom-designed learning application that does the job but costs them some minor effort, or a canned and sliced learning application that just requires a signature to pay for it.</p>
<p>Guess which one gets selected? The easy one that doesn&#8217;t do the job, but looks like the job is being addressed. Management is basically lazy, and almost always takes the easy, if incorrect, way.  Dilbert&#8217;s pointy-haired boss is not far from the actuality of the real world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on D is for Delivery by sallyboyd</title>
		<link>http://learningideas.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/d-is-for-delivery/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>sallyboyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don -- well put!

One of the strangest classes I attended was a finance class presented by an experienced vendor, with 2 days of internal people doing death by powerpoint.  The part of the class that was designed/delivered by the vendor was really interesting -- she made the subject come alive and got us all involved, which really helped understanding.  Then the internal controllers came in and bored us for 2 days -- it ruined the class.

As an instructor (which I haven&#039;t done as much), I&#039;ve had to do the lecture presentations too -- it was a horrible experience for me as well as the students!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don &#8212; well put!</p>
<p>One of the strangest classes I attended was a finance class presented by an experienced vendor, with 2 days of internal people doing death by powerpoint.  The part of the class that was designed/delivered by the vendor was really interesting &#8212; she made the subject come alive and got us all involved, which really helped understanding.  Then the internal controllers came in and bored us for 2 days &#8212; it ruined the class.</p>
<p>As an instructor (which I haven&#8217;t done as much), I&#8217;ve had to do the lecture presentations too &#8212; it was a horrible experience for me as well as the students!</p>
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